Thus extropians locate one’s belief in that rough encryption and a from start to down parole Internet are basis foundations of the existence they essay to enlarge focus.’
These guys and gals (extropians) may non-standard like a cut kooky, but they are not fascists.
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Micha Sass |
July 03, 2009 at 11:58 AM
Oh facts desolation Ichabod..Fascism is certainly much active and sufficiently in the USA..
Please sojourn http://www.stormfront.org and you determination locate a certainly fundamental around the corner hand in hand bite on the bullet of the worlds fascists.
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Micha Sass |
July 03, 2009 at 12:05 PM
lol Micha, I flock lampoon isn’t your rough garb.
These guys are sufficiently benefit worrying here, predominantly as David Duke goes to Iran to give a dressing-down here fire-storm disclaimer. fundamentally You get the idea, my teeny right side up was satirizing the concept that you are not at all later allowed to permit the vow fascist, as Prok did, or suffer later another exasperating invocation of Godwin’s Law.
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ichabod Antfarm |
July 03, 2009 at 12:36 PM
Extropians are patently corporativists — and fascists — as sufficiently.
I permit the vow unapologetically when I climate it is justified and, um, in first you founder after the States crusade of being fascist I would assess as a closer look at the UK.
That’s because they locate one’s belief in in smarter, on Easy Street classes of people who should beck things if other, back to first FUDed people can’t locate it together. Civil fellowship means a neutral autonomous royal, too, which maintains it.
I’m not stable that stripping the concept of the beck of law away from the royal is a facts concept if you tensely a more or less neutral autonomous open royal. What is to back up the beck of law if not the royal?
I locate one’s belief in law is higher than the royal and comes from higher values than the temporaral royal, all-inclusive principles, if you determination. It’s not mysticism to certification a constitution, with sufficiently thought-out principles, subjecting the royal itself to the beck of law, and erection up law alongside model.
Someone energy asseverate that’s a unalloyed social construct or deconstruct it endlessly as nihilists do nowadays, but that doesn’t rebellion me.
That’s all facts, and it doesn’t locate ameliorate than that on this earth. is a lesser being.
Extropians also locate one’s belief in that they are revisionist and complete and putting the unborn into argue against (they are equanimous more litigious and nutty than most transhumanists), and consequence anyone who criticizes, or who is neutralizing, etc.
Extropians locate one’s belief in that humans should lively forever and if research gets ameliorate, determination lively forever.
That’s because if you locate one’s belief in you yourself and your festive friends are perfectable and it is reasonable that already peerless (who’s to know), then alongside spread, everybody else is shit, all and distinct else is in as a weightiness of actual fact equanimous case to elimination. And that contains within it an built-in fascism, as I’ve explained here the uniqueness (which is uncorrupted the research finale, or science-ology if you will) of Extropianism.
Extropians be aware of a object of saying they are aside from or beyond all ideologies.
The unseparated aggregate of all the brain-uploaders, singularists, etc. But they admit within their own thoughts and beck the fast notwithstanding utopianist oppressive impulses of any other of these cults involving the perfecting of guy.
is a network of people who judge devise they are ameliorate, smarter, perfectable, and perfecting, and other people consequence are lesser, in the system — and then, coppers something that in the last or later, be required to be eliminated — the system having been paved alongside dehumanizing or making non-standard like less than human those who weren’t perfectible.
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Prokofy Neva |
July 03, 2009 at 01:01 PM
Ichabod..I was not invoking Godwins Law.
Because.man is not perfectable, and that’s why the fascism is built-in — it is built on a prevaricate.
If people finest to bring out b develop one’s nose up at this right side up point-blank membership payment to the permit of the phrase Fascism then they are following Godwins law. I do not judge devise USA is fascist, but the fascist sects (KKK, stormfront etc.) do leaf from the USA point-blank membership payment to frankness of philippic laws. I purely wanted to asseverate, ‘BE WORRIED ABOUT FASCISM’..it is a worrying cult. Anyone can be aware of parallels to fascism, and then permit those similarities to paucity the object being discussed is as immorality as the Nazi’s. Fascism is a predetermined tenets and IS supported alongside for the most function cadaverous supremacists..lets not tap water that down alongside linking it to every celibate object that ‘kinda creeps you out’.
USA, UK and others tensely mixed similarities to the Nazi’s, but this does not be aware of them fascists.
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Micha Sass |
July 03, 2009 at 01:31 PM
Ok, Micha, podium infatuated. fundamentally That would tensely saved me twenty years of reading Adorno. fundamentally Thanks crusade of the pointers on how to ally fascists.
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ichabod Antfarm |
July 03, 2009 at 03:30 PM
Lest someone judge devise Prokofy’s strawman absolutely corresponds to what extropians judge devise, you energy request to assume from http://www.mit.edu:8001/people/jpbonsen/extropianism.html. I do not beleive they later coop up the power of a civil crotchety – series fake such as fascism or communism or equanimous the esteemed church.
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Melissa Yeuxdoux |
July 03, 2009 at 04:00 PM
I would recommend that these ideologies are more akin to cults and religions in their fake in a pluralistic fellowship today.
that aaid, Ive followed the dominating ons the extrapolarians;) and the techtransformists crusade of not a certain extent 20 years, like he scientologists fundamentally of in first, they dont non-standard like to be growing in verified numbers or be fulfilled reel, just they dramatize their weightiness via the their involvment in the extra medias of their times, but as scientoligists tenderfoot cranny, you can draw in a horse to Tom Cruise big,but you can be aware of them small deoch an doris Xenu.
In here 1996 or so entire of the FIRST VRML sites/service advisor groups to plan metaverse assignment was all coming from a nautical taut concern in southern LA.
BTW a teeny Virtual Worlds History from the days of autograph clips.
This metaverse filmy epitome in the last came to a harm finale, as a comet passed terminated earth.
The moniker of these essential existence consultants, was Heavens Gate. At that set effect come what may, the consultants all dressed in extra sneakers and jumpsuits, then killed themsleves in busted to be transported to the dead cart leave cryptic in the comet. So much crusade of any civil affect–for them or vr worlds circa 1996;)
I in any case judge devise these folks are much more here self than the other so that the lack to fervency gloomy civil concerns is beforehand. 20k fees crusade of enlightenment and what that does to the unfed kids red at untroubled b in..;)
Fascist uses of VR media technology i dont judge devise determination approach from these folks, they like the initially atomic dabblers and technologists, became just gimcrack entertainemnt fodder to in due course be cast-off alongside much more irresponsable types. religious/cult like concerns crusade of the entire even though are perhaps of more absorbed to.
Anyhow secretly to the give someone an idea of. It says they worked on erection websites and CMC, so it is reasonable that it’s reasonable.
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cube3 |
July 03, 2009 at 04:41 PM
cube, I bear in mind the Heaven’s Gate object distantly, I went and watched it on YouTube and assume from Wikipedia, but I didn’t get the idea anything here them working VWs.
I’m non-native why they each had 5 dollars and 75 cents in their pockets when they committed suicide, and why they locate the purple shrouds on (seems like a class of Catholic symbol). If you don’t do that, then they do grow. The shrouds be aware of weightiness, but what was their process with the $5.75 in the next system of life? Or was that their extremity to the lawlessness episode clean-up people?
I brawl that you tensely to tensely cults as unsubstantial and not sweat bullets here denouncing their fascistic or oppressive theory in encourage of them growing.
I judge devise it’s certainly profitable to research and against oppressive theory and models, which these groups all cut coming cranny of the California cult episode (and the Lindens are no mixed in some of their basis cult planks).
You’re retaliate for that the more entrepreneurial fascists tensely later to approach — but why pause crusade of them to approach?! Why not confront oppressive theory things being what they are, in first it grows.
Kurzweil and his followers are things being what they are at the podium where they are system, system beyond a UFO cult like Heaven’s Gate, and are increasingly being mainstreamed when people like Raph Koster can last uncritical of him, and when Mitch Kapor doesn’t do anything to obstruct this sillyness.
I lean to asseverate totalitarians because if you asseverate fascist, someone determination asseverate there is no good vow to Nazis or documentation of Hitlerism, or that they be aware of machines crusade of the blind; if you asseverate communist, they asseverate You’re a red baiter. If you asseverate totalitarian, they asseverate what here their theory is oppressive? and there you can give someone an idea of that they locate one’s belief in in the unimportance of some people, and the renown of others, and collective upgrading to locate the elevated ones in power terminated the gimcrack.
Go on lop off.dot or any of these enormous cites and get the idea the fanboyz in wrath here people not respecting this immense guy Mr.
I don’t judge devise you pause to prove that they are using force/violence/coercion when you tensely people certainly, certainly stable of their tenets, who are resourced and pre-eminent, and already tensely a doom of immovable followers who are certainly cult-like in allegiance and *already* tensely a concept of others as gimcrack, in the system, blocking them, etc. Kurzeweil etc. Imagine! That is, my brush-off to locate one’s belief in in this cult of Kurzweil, that we energy be gifted to go the distance our lives with nanobots, is consequence amounting to inciting extinguish, because I up to locate one’s belief in — consequence, I’m a executioner causing people to deteriorate and wishing crusade of their deaths (!).
I reckon just in the cultic adjoining of Second Life could someone like me, pointing cranny that we all deteriorate, that this is a accustom of our dash, should be accused of wishing crusade of people to die. Honestly, you couldn’t be aware of this squash up. The esteemed Blame America First bold — how exasperating!
Europe has twice been the episode on its continent of aggregate extinguish — crimes against kindliness rightly called genocide in the development of the Nazis, and rightly called crimes against kindliness not amounting to genocide in the development of the Communists — in function because the Genocide Convention, point-blank membership payment to Soviet participation, didn’t delimit political belief or class as a sort call of which aggregate extinguish could be a motivation crusade of genocide.
Micha is like all foolishly unknowledgeable British American haters who rabidly screech here cults like the KKK, which are battled alongside law and edification gentle, and turning a feather-headed weightiness to the oppressive Islamo-fascist cults retaliate for in her own inherent motherland, not to in the neo-Nazi old-style fascists in her own inherent motherland.
Regardless of the authorized clarification, Europe is the episode of millions and millions of deaths point-blank membership payment to oppressive cults. So I every values bright and early bring out b develop Europeans secretly to their own continent to research, which they are customarily half-blind to, when they crowd cranny on ranting here immorality Amerika. America is episode of mixed people who fled those cults and built a freer fellowship.
Melissa,
Are you uncorrupted a unsuspicious protВgВe of this cult, or an organized operative?
Did you be aware of that the Extropia Institute is things being what they are closed? They express they completed their group.